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Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:09 pm
by zenkick
Is there a trick to binding a note on/off pair to control next and previous loop selections?

I've tried a few midi devices with the same result: note on will select the next/prev loop and note off will select the next/prev loop again. So, each note performs the command twice.

It seems like that command is not interpreting the on/off pair.

For now I'm working around it by telling the binding it's a "Note On" command, rather than "Note".

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:07 pm
by Freasy
So what is the problem then? If it works if you tell the binding to be a "Note On" command, at "Note Off" nothing will happen. If you don't bind "Note Off" to anything, you have the note on/off pair. If you want to trigger the command when releasing the button you have to tell it to be a "Note Off" command.
If you choose "Note" it will trigger whether it is a "Note On" or a "Note Off".

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:16 pm
by zenkick
There is no problem, sir. I'm simply bringing it up because it seems to be inconsistent behavior.

For example, if record is bound to the same "Note", it doesn't start recording when it receives a note on and stop recording when it receives a note off -- it knows how to handle the on/off pair and only triggers one command.

I only wanted to mention it in case it was a bug, or if someone else was confused by the inconsistent behavior, since I couldn't find mention of it in the forum or documentation.

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:48 am
by jesse
The "Note" option is designed to only pay attention to Note On, unless you do a long press (holding down the note for more than 1 sec or so), in which case the note off triggers the command's long press behavior (usually triggering the command again, so you can press-hold-release to do records/overdubs/etc), or in the case of Undo, it does an Undo All. If when using the Note binding it triggers on release even when you do a quick press/release, than that *is* a bug. I can't reproduce it though...

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:16 am
by zenkick
Thanks for the followup.

In the case of Select Next/Prev Loop, it does indeed trigger again on note-off when set to "Note" and doing a non-long press -- at least with my Livid Brain Jr.

When I'm back home in the studio I'll post more details, such as exactly what is being sent (via midi monitor), and screenshots of my configuration.

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:58 pm
by Pekka
I have somewhat similar issue with my Korg Nanokontrol2. It sends CC messages, on press value 0 and on release 127. When I press and release button I don't get the next loop but it jumps 2 loops forward. I tried to mess with the data range etc. but it didn't help. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks!

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:31 pm
by Pekka
I assigned Nanokontrol to send notes and changed setting to "note on" so my problem solved. :) But still feels like a bug. Why does Next/prev loop have target/data range settings in a first place?

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:20 pm
by Pekka
Whoops.. Mainstage doesn't pass notes thru SL, so with Mainstage doesn't work for me...

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:49 pm
by jesse
Yes, I agree that CCs should behave like note on/off too, I will look into that.

So MainStage passes CCs but not notes? WTF Apple?

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:10 am
by Pekka
There could be some setting that I don't know of. I'm now building up my loop setup and not sure if I will use Mainstage in the first place. It was a quick test. Perhaps I need to change midi channel settings or something. With AU Lab it worked straight away.

Re: Select Next/Prev Loop - Note On/Off Issue

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:49 am
by Pekka
Sorry, you seem to have added CC on /CC off in 1.7.0 release so it will solve my problem. But since I'm on OS X 10.6.8 I can't use it yet.